Thread:Logarithma/@comment-33558089-20171204145736/@comment-27168967-20171230073345

Logarithma wrote: yes?

well if we see in this (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxembourg). The title grand duke doesn't belitte the position and power as independent sovereign country. Moreover, I don't think grand duke position is under Kings or Emperors per se. I guess it is more of the rank based on the landmass they possessed rather than their strenght. Because if it is really the case, it would contradict the political power that Luxembourg has now.

So I think, it must be as simple as if it is a kingdom then the leader called king, if it is an empire then emperor, therefore grand duchy then grand duke. I came back from a long period of overwork and your post simply had me barfing out loud so bad my guts hurt. Really, the muscles around my stomach is still in pain from the stretch. You simply don't take time to read through the WN and look for clues no more. Luxembourg's sovereignity has nothing to do with it be a Grand Duchy. Actually, it simply got lucky because William III decides to keep that place's situation. Other Grand Duchies or the lesser duchies are all history though the title of Duke still remains (points at England) but not really the duty of how a Duke used to have.

Duke is not under King or Emperors? Christ, there's no Duke or any equivalent (Grand or Arch) if there's not a King on top. Whether a Duke carries more power depends on the political strength one carries because even a King can become a mere puppet if Your Highness doesn't have the majority of the political backing to make the final decision an absolute veto. This is like the Sengoku era were the Daimyos like Nobunaga and other clans fight for sovereignity over the land of Japan while the Emperor hid trembling around the corner of his palace.

Also, you simply did not spend time searching for how the Japanese address the titles, rather than simply basing your own assumptions on how the Westeners used them. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E5%85%AC%E5%9B%BD ; 公国 (Principality), 大公国 (Grand Duchy) though normally 公国 also means a Duchy but since the existence of such is no more the Japanese shifts its use to Principality for more frequent use unless there's a need to specify as a Duchy. See how they separate Grand Duchy and Principality? Apparently, Japanese considers a Principality to be governed by a monarch where the right of sucession is absolute. It's actually used quite frequently throughout anime history, one of the more popular examples would be from the original Gundam series; https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%82%B8%E3%82%AA%E3%83%B3%E5%85%AC%E5%9B%BD Normally speaking, 公 is added as a prefix of 公王 simply because it means a king who has reigning power over a 公国 (Principality). This means that 公 and 王 can be separated, explaining the position that Touya holds is a King. Don't believe me, you say? Chapter #430 of WN. READ THE LAST SENTENCE!

Now, I go to sleep...